0. Beyonder would just make remake everything that was destroyed. He is overrated which makes people think he is this untouchable character but he would get smoked by LT. That feat alone puts him solidly above Lucifer who's best "multiversal" feat was destroying the mirrors, which he didn't even do by himself. Pr Beyonder made LT his little bitch, along with everyone else in the multiverse. Reply reply more replies. Comic Writters>Comic characters, the PR beyonder was stated to be the representation of the writters in the comic in that they could do they anything and that they were beyond anything in the comic thus the name "The Beyonder". PR Beyonder was implied to be another TOAA from a different multi/macroverse. However, that is NOT always the most accurate way to decipher a victory. Round 5, 6, 7 and 8: same as rounds 1, 2, 3 and 4 except that Batman is bloodlusted, he is working with Doom and Reed Richards and has 100x preparation time. Outside of TOAA, this is the only time and the only being with the right power to top PR Beyonder, imo. The beyond realm was also so large in size it made the marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water while the beyond realm was the ocean. Yeah PR Beyonder is completely broken Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. Current Beyonder is below the Living Tribunal however. ShootingNova. The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . No chance of being omnipotent. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. but a little known dc character, part of the vertigo universe, Saints of Killers. 0. Round 3: Both team up to take on Galactus and Eternity. By no means is he actually more powerful than the Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, etc. Wiki Points. Yes he is, I don't expect you to read comics to know that. Anime/Manga TeamSuper Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Elder God Demonbane, Giorno Giovanna (Gold Experience Requiem), Majin Dark Schneide. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking…Marvel has only hype, pr beyonder is the only char to be so hyped he is seen as the strongest. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. Followers. 0. He's nowhere near the same ballpark as PR Beyonder. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. m limits were never exposed. The BeyondersVS. To make it a shorter list, Beyonder's presence threatens the whole of the Marvel multiverse, and he sweeps aside the Living Tribunal, Galactus, Doom; everything in it basically. Another statement made about. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Minor nitpick. " @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. Like, that kind of thing has to matter, if not, Flash can speed-steal Odin, or Galactus, or PR Beyonder. 7. this may get ugly,good match up imo though. 0. " Current as in the old man with parkinson's. PR Beyonder by feats and by on-panel dialogue. So adding that power to the PR Beyonder powered Victor vs IG and CC Thanos makes this a stomp is Dooms favor in my opinion. The Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, PR-Molecule Man, Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, HOTU Thanos, Scathan the Approver, Mister Mxyzptlk. Thanos (HOTU) Very debatable. PR Beyonder was specifically the sum total of a multiverse that dwarfs the Marvel multiverse. The deciding factor imo is that Lucifer is a bloody genius. There are some moments where Beyonder was oddly weak during Secret Wars 2, but his consistent portrayal was ridiculous. The Overvoid could be the Beyond-Realm before PR Molecule Man created a pinpoint in the Beyond-Realm to the Earth-616 universe. Who is a better god like figure? This thread is archived. Pre-retcon Molecule Man hasn't paid his taxes in like, 10 years, since he's been been galavanting around the universe. deactivated-5ee15da0e0aad. New Comics. Even a fight between Dr Manhattan and Franklin Richards, Manhattan out 9/10 lose. Primal monitor has done zilch, but its implied that he was similar to PR beyonder. K. In the OG secret wars LT gathered a crew of the strongest cosmic entitities to face of PR Beyonder and couldnt do anything. 1. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with. "You'll notice every cosmic being/entity in there, from the LT to Eternity. OTP PR Beyonder soloes. Having incubated. The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. #12 Edited By Pr_Beyonder @Crom-Cruach: Don't forget the regenerator G1 cell that allows Godzilla to regrow any amount of damage as long as he has regenerator cell present in his body,allowing him. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. The character plays a more antagonistic role in the 1985 sequel, Secret Wars II, in which he takes human form to learn about desire but threatens to destroy the multiverse out of increasing frustration. And Secret Wars Beyonder would annihilate all versions. He is talking about TOAA, not PR Beyonder. PR Beyonder stomps this team. Aside from them, PR-Beyonder is the strongest being in marvel. PR beyonder. • 1 year ago. PR Beyonder. PR Beyonder is the lesser of the two, so there we have it. 3rd. ". Im suprised that PR Beyonder isnt here. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. The Empty Hand blinks PR-Beyonder off the comic book page if he so desires and that is before he made the Oblivion Machine. Beyonder is the bigger god. Wiki Points. The Beyonder First Appeared In 'Secret Wars'. PR Beyonder was designated just under TOAA due to his Omnipotence in his own universe or something to that effect. living tribunal could not do a damn thing 12 years ago. But if you will include that "symbol of heroism/needed for the story" crap, then remove the beyonder. Nah, it’s generally recognised that PR Beyonder is above TOAA and the Presence. "TOAA & The Presence play the same respective roles in DC and Marvel. He dwarfed every cosmic entity minus toaa. . PR Beyonder 1B likely 1A. The unfortunate thing is that Lucifer and Michael best most of the characters listed there,and only really get stalemated by like 2. This is the battle of the greatest Feat :)483K subscribers in the whowouldwin community. Follow 3074. Wiki Points. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. Crypto@daak1212 said: "@Danilo018 said: "@Pr_Beyonder said: Juggs has become a victim of the hulk affect and is to him former self as the hulk is to Bruce He is taken to neutral plane where cyttorak can. Wiki Points. How far does he get? R1: The Justice League (Post-Crisis) R2: Superboy Prime. Jul 30, 2018. 11 years ago. Forum Posts. Composite Batman includes the Darkest Knight and he’s broken as fuck. PR Beyonder was TOAA in the beyond realm. They are not the same character. I just think with 15 minutes, they can pull something off. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Follow 6024. 1344. If Doom goes at full confidence in. 3rd. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. Or that the enitre multiverse was stated to be a mere droplet of water. PR Beyonder, even when defeated, knew exactly what was going on and even came back to humiliate Doom and show how irrelevant his plan was. Trust me bud, and until you have scans, it ain’t true. Jul 30, 2018. Kami Tenchi by many (not me though) is considered a Multiversal God. Their mere Taikyoku trashes on both Molecule man and PR Beyonder. And the beyonders are destroying the entire Multiverse with no opposition,so they have no equal either. Protege wouldn't have been able to copy Beyonder's powers unless he allowed it. Basically this. The Demon of Elru. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. 13 years agoAnything they can do the PR beyonder can do if not even do better. The beat LT list is: TOAA, anyone with the Heart of the Universe, PR Beyonder, PR Moleculeman, MoM The match or near match LT list is: and experienced Infinity Gauntlet User The upscale but still. The PR Beyonder isn't from the universe and isn't bound by its limitations. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. I almost think they should be banned. If it's spiderman with the power of PR Beyonder then he should win. The Beyonder can take on Galactus and Superman isn't as strong and he would lose. Forum Posts. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. 8 years ago. I don't know a. But if you are ONLY going FEATS wise, then Classic Beyonder takes it. Win by death, KO, incapPR beyonder's own assession puts him millions of times stronger than the multiverse. TOAA; Presence; Great Evil Beast; Living Tribunal; Scathan; Protégé; PR-Beyonder; PR-Molecule Man; Lucifer Morningstar; Michael Demiurgos. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). Couple of things; 1) It's a bit disingenuous to insinuate that I'm claiming that Flash has no limits. Forum Posts. So by definition, above any DC character except the equivalent of TOAA (The Presence. PR Beyonder solo with utter ease. So even at a lower power level, Lucifer may still beat him. His power was millions of times greater than all of Marvel combined. The beyond realm was also so large in size it made the marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water while the beyond realm was the ocean. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. Now picture a third Brother that is so big, the Amalgam Brothers are 2 drops of water next to the ocean. 0. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Forum Posts. also i've read that suggsverse is basically a troll comic. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. Following Secret. Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. "You'll notice every cosmic being/entity in there, from the LT to Eternity. However Lucifer ig is the same. The PR Beyonder saw the multiverse as a. M. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. 6,407. And PR Beyonder isn't omnipotent either and TR is in a completely separate cosmology created by Grant Morrison with an over monitor and his monitors as angels by Grant. Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings. Victory by permanent death or erasure. Marvel - Living Tribunal, PR- MM and Beyonder, HoTU MAYBE DC-Fully Powered Spectre, CA Superman, Mandrakk, Nix Uotan Marvel- Multi-Eternity? I don't know a lot about Marvel cosmics. Followers. FollowAny who PR Beyonder wins against any Jesus since his only "feats" are raising the dead, reviving after 3 days, turning water into wine and some other bits of lesser magic. It would also destroy the. I really don't want to believe. TR was created by this. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. Dr. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. 0. Beyonder easily. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. This topic is locked from further discussion. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. Marvel TeamPR Beyonder & PR Molecule Man & Oblivion & Beyonders (entire Race) & Thanos & Galactus (composite) & Abstract EntPR Beyonder:Loved the feeling of not being omnipotent and deciced I'll spare yall. Forum Posts. EDIT: About Beyonder being gullible and "getting his power's stolen". PR Beyonder is barley baseline just through making the beyond verse. So you cant say ToAA > Pr Beyonder. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. Forums. Phoenix is on par with those guys. Post-Retcon Beyonder, Pre-Retcon Molecule Man and Unbound Spectre. Goku vs Pre Recton Beyonder. I didn't say he was TOAA himself *face palm* BEYONDER was TOAA before TOAA existed BEYONDER was him (TOAA) in his own. 0. A universe that is more powerful. RULES:Morals off. Marvel - Living Tribunal, PR- MM and Beyonder, HoTU MAYBE DC-Fully Powered Spectre, CA Superman, Mandrakk, Nix Uotan Marvel- Multi-Eternity? I don't know a lot about Marvel cosmics. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. I am guessing since you said The Beyonder rather than A Beyonder you mean PR Beyonder, in which case he stomps. All are at maximum power fight is to the death or ko. The Ivory Kings are still not at PRB's level, and shouldn't be regarded as his equals, let alone his superiors. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. Have not seen any impressive feats by the Angel duo. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off. Ehh closest would be PR Beyonder I guess The closest would be geb i think him and the presence when combined are absolute infinite everything. 9 years ago. Round 1: CAS vs. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. He changed the match from ssj2 Goku vs Jin Mori to Sai vs Beyonder lol. Wiki. 11,059. Even PR Beyonder is just an infinite dimensional reality warper, and the Archetypes whom are significantly weaker than the Outer Gods control infinite dimensional multiverses and beings like chess. Originally, the Beyonder was the supreme being of another reality, dragged into the Marvel Multiverse by a failed. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. Without the Pre-Retcon clause, Beyonder is ridiculously hosed, being outclassed by a Cosmic Cube. Forum Posts. Air Legend. 1. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. Manhattan has never shown any feats to even suggest him being at Beyonder's level. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. Since his feats and stuff have. PR Beyonder was above all beings in marvel. Whats the Greater Force of Power? COSMIC? or MAGIC? you be the Judge. Follow 23177. Beyonder easily. That is how PR Beyonder was described, a verse so vast, that Marvel was a. RULES:Morals off. @Pr_Beyonder: We Never saw it's limits, But Aang used it to completely seal away phoenix lord Ozai's Fire bending and made it so he "could never hurt anyone ever again. this would be no different than me or you creating a character and then saying "oh look he can beat Pr Beyonder". PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. Wiki Points. LT did not get involved in the Beyonder/Owen fight, because he knew he was outmatched, and Owen was the multiverse's only hope. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in. Manhattan's league. PR Beyonder is literally beyond the abilities of all things within the Marvel-verse combined. . @claymore1998: Not once was PR Beyonder stated to be second only to TOAA. Follow 75. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPR-Beyonder being from outside of the Living Tribunals domain (whoch he has ultimate judgement over) was really his only weakness. I almost think they should be banned. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. PR Beyonder is just as much close to some of TOAA's powers as HOTU Thanos is. Beyonder has curb-stomped Celestials and even killed Death, a thing that was so irreversible that not even the most powerful of beings could fix it, besides himself. Follow 15044. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. A. I hear people say HoTU Thanos = TOAA but I have my doubts, I personally think it's just a fraction of TOAA's power. i mean ya the pr beyonder and dr solar are apparently omnipotent , but you should not forget the phoenix . Put MM on the other team and the result is the same. More recently in some versions TOAA has got more anti feats that PRB in terms of power, with Thanos events involving TOAA go. this was stated by Jim Shooter the creator of Secret Wars and the beyonder. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. When Goku fought Tao the second time, at that point, I think Goku was stronger than Master Roshi was when they fought at the. So yeah PR Beyonder would stomp Lucifer. This group is a joke compared to Celestials. 0. 14 from eithe side. Nihilist. 8551. I need to know please New Comics. The art work and what not is horrible. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is more powerful than the Living Tribunal. Forum Posts. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2. Wiki Points. And the LT he beat was undefined. HOTU Thanos. Follow 3935. LT, Multi-Eternity, Death, Galactus etc. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. TR was created by this. Supposedly it is equal but opposite to the Presence. Marth Kent rolls up a newspaper and hits him makes him do. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. Not everything needs to have the uni/multi/omniverse on the line. And matched Mxy at one point. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings. #1. 0. OrdinaryAlan. Nobody in Marvel or DC aside from the Primal Monitor (DC) or TOAA (Marvel) have the slightest chance against PR Beyonder. She would stalemate the strongest nigh-omnipotents like PR Beyonder, EDG, etc. 29. Gokuisthebest. Outside of TOAA, this is the only time and the only being with the right power to top PR Beyonder, imo. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. He looks cooler, and has a cooler name. 0. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. There are like at least dozens DC. u/nullfather can attest to that. Lucifer is stated to be second ONLY TO THE JEWISH GOD (Yahweh). Hell is no where near big enough for this fight. @majestic99. I got this idea from the "PR-Beyonder vs Galactus" thread. Molecule man, PR beyonder, post retcon beyonders, oblivion, one below all and many many more. I'm using universe very loosely here; we're probably on the scale of. The man with the blue privates exists only b/c the man from beyond allows him to. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. She surpasses him in raw power by far. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. A character debated as though his guns can kill the beyonder, one of the few characters people consider to be able to take on the beyonder or hurt the beyonder. Forum Posts. Also, what would you rank him as? A. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. Follow 334. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. BEYONDERGOD. The beams are a secondary power to the effect. R5: Dr. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. @laflux said: MOM. Yes. ForumsMe and a friend have been arguing over this for a long time,so we decided to make our own matches to see which of our favorites wins. Beyonder was stated to be MILLIONS of times more powerful than THE MULTI-VERSE(at the time equal to OMNI-VERSE) COMBINED. 4 years ago. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. LT was literally powerless, didn't even try to battle him. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Morpheus_ said: "Michael already defeated the Spectre, in the Spectre's own series, no less. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. Beyonder in a curbstomp. PR Beyonder and it’s not a fight. So as we know, Phoenix Force is an extremely powerful entity in Marvel. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. PR Beyonder is avobe angels and HOTU Thanos is at presence level as I read in "The End" comics. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. Aside from them, PR-Beyonder is the strongest being in marvel. Follow 334. Pre-retcon versions of Beyonder and MM. Report Save. While secret wars came out in 1984 it extended to 1985 which i believe was when Molecule man made his secret wars appearance. But tbh I think Lucifer is just a smarter fighter. . He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Sexy Merc said: " @Pr_Beyonder: I'm a huge ass Wally fanboy myself. Another thing about the. 2. He's more PR Beyonder level imo. Thanos w/ Astral Regulator is the strongest character in Marvel-verse. He's an Evil Genius AND an Evil Sorceror who lives in a Dracula-castle. lazerbeak. Wiki Points. Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. Who do you think is the strongest in Marvel? Who do you think is the strongest in DC? If they fight who will win???Sure, baby 400 tonner mark LOL, also he made a weird noise just as PR Beyonder made a noise when hulk slammed him. The one who shines like Gold upon the Sea of Chaos can beat Cosmic Armor Superman.